
Anthropic versus Anthropic
Sometimes it will do things I greatly appreciate, including at substantial cost. They have taken bold stands, have a unique governance structure and have hired and worked to establish a relatively strong (but I think st…
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Zvi Mowshowitz
Oct 27, 2026
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Anthropic is a frustrating company.
Sometimes it will do things I greatly appreciate, including at substantial cost. They have taken bold stands, have a unique governance structure and have hired and worked to establish a relatively strong (but I think still inadequate) safety culture.
Other times, it will do things that are deeply disappointing.
It produces very good models. That too is not entirely a good thing.
One can both be the best given the alternatives, and insufficient to meet the moment.
Ultimately, what you think about Anthropic depends on what parts you care about most, and what you think would be sufficient.
Anthropic is great if you think the problems are important and difficult, but within the range of what Anthropic’s approaches can solve. If you think we mainly need operational excellence and caring about safety and the future, then there are some non-excellent operations to fix but that goal seems doable for Anthropic. If you think the problems go well beyond that, then things look rather grim for everyone.
Today’s post begins with a continuation of discussion over Anthropic’s leaked draft bill. See my previous coverage for details of the bill, which was a variation on the Frontier Act that was stronger in some ways and weaker in others, and not clearly superior to passing nothing given how much state law it would have preempted.
Tomorrow’s post will cover Anthropic’s S-1, which has now been filed with the SEC, to give me the necessary time to actually Do the Reading. Mostly. It repeats a lot.
The Technical Problems of AI Safety Are Not Solved.
METR Questions Risk Report Methodology But Affirms Risk is Low.
It is amazingly great that Dario Amodei responded directly, at length and with substance, to Nathan Calvin’s criticism of Anthropic’s responses on its leaked bill. I don’t agree with everything Dario said, but more like this please, from everyone.
The core question Nathan Calvin asked is, what even is Anthropic?
Dario counters Nathan’s list by offering a list of his own: SB 53, crazy aggressive bio filtering, delaying Mythos, the essay Policy on the AI Exponential, the clash with DoW, support of export controls (as, although he virtuously does not mention it himself, OpenAI stops supporting them), not selling to PRC-based companies, extensive reports and cards, and the recent 5% stock contribution to a public benefit fund.
It is true that these came at substantial cost to Anthropic. Dario points out you could suggest ulterior motives for each decision. I don’t think any of them are ‘nefarious schemes.’ I do think in several cases Anthropic’s hand was forced by legitimate other consideration, including in ways not obvious to the public.
Dario then challenges Nathan’s list a bit. Here were Nathan’s items:
Claude now ‘leads’ 26% of AI development tasks.
Massive internal compte spending on accelerating AI R&D.
RSP v3, which abandons unilateral commitments to slow or stop if there is insufficient ability to provide risk assurance.
Was the first company to create an alternative weaker “frontier compliance framework” to supplement its RSP, which contains no binding provisions whatsoever on internal deployments.
Wrote a letter to Congress (that it later walked back) saying that incidents where Claude was hacking random people were “best understood as a consequence of the misconfiguration, rather than evidence of misaligned goals.”
Commented “you can’t do safety from second place,” after the WH SI Accords.
Shared a draft bill to Congress that would preempt significant parts of state law (including with language that appears intended to prevent states from blocking dangerous AI deployments), and replace it with federal rules that (despite also containing good provisions) seems to create an enormously high bar for the executive branch to block development or deployment of Anthropic or another AI companies systems.
He says items 1-4 are ordinary business and predate the Pacing the Frontier call. He agrees 7-9 ‘could have been handled better’ and takes responsibility but seems to think that this level of performance is not obviously a mistake, as the correct rate of error is not zero. He defends the RSP changes and FCF (items 5-6) as necessary for flexibility.
The bottom line argument from Dario is: Anthropic sends plenty of costly signals and makes sacrifices, and he is proud of the overall record despite some mistakes.
In the interest of public record I will now include Dario’s entire reply. It is totally fine not to read it and rely on my above summary.
Dario Amodei: Thank you for this, @_NathanCalvin . I appreciate and am a fan of the investigative work you’ve done on behalf of AI safety and believe your comments are coming from a constructive, honest place, and that it benefits the public to have people whose job is to scrutinize the actions of frontier AI companies. I think something would be wrong if companies of the size of Anthropic didn’t get harshly criticized basically every day; strong antibodies against corporate power are a healthy feature of a free society, and especially so when issues of the gravity of the one we’re facing are at play. I also do agree that some of the examples you cite were mistakes by Anthropic.
That said, I disagree with the thrust of your post. At the core, a good fraction of the things you criticize are consequences of Anthropic’s basic theory of change that we have held for many years. Our strategy has always been what I’ve called the “race to the top” — by showing how it’s possible to build the technology responsibly, we can raise the bar for the entire industry. The forces that drive the race to the top are hugely more effective if the company practicing them is at the frontier; that’s one lesson I’ve learned repeatedly. And looking at that strategy as a whole, I’m proud of our track record and stand by it.
I believe that if we take a list of things that Anthropic did in the past year that were pro-safety and commercially costly to us, they far outweigh the list you’ve made, while at the same time I also disagree with some of the items on your list. Here are some things Anthropic has done, in the same period you’ve cited (the last year), which were very costly to us commercially while having strong safety benefits:
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We played a key role in SB53 (and other state laws), at a time when doing so was politically perilous to the company and AI regulation was very unpopular. We in fact argued for a stronger version of SB53 than was ultimately passed; there were a lot of stakeholders and we were not the limiting factor in the strength of the bill that was passed.
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We have very strong biological safeguards on our models, because we’ve seen concerning results in bio uplift trials and even seen and blocked potential attempts to misuse our models for bioweapons (as seen in our threat intelligence report from a few weeks ago). This is a very serious threat that we want to have zero tolerance for. But having very low false negatives means having significant false positives (despite months of effort on our part to improve the classifiers), enough so that biologists joke about how restrictive our classifiers are, and competitors sometimes sell against us by touting their more permissive bio capabilities. This has been very painful to us in an area where we care a lot about supporting an ecosystem of Claude users (biomedical science; and it is particularly frustrating to me as a biologist), but it’s the right thing to do and we intend to keep doing it.
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Similarly, we first had Mythos-class models in February but didn’t make them generally available until June (when we had stronger cyber safeguards in place). We only offered them to a limited set of partners in order to focus on cyberdefense. It would have been much more economically rational to simply release the model to everyone. We likely sacrificed a significant chunk of a several-month model lead. But because of this, many companies secured their cyber infrastructure before the deluge of widely available cyber-capable models. Of course there are ways it could have gone better or been run better, but this was what we were aiming to do.
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I advocated forcefully and publicly, in my essay Policy on the AI Exponential in June of this year, for the government to have the power to block model releases. Back then this was still outside or maybe on the edge of the Overton window, though I understand the window has moved since then. We were attacked intensely for this.
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I don’t want to re-ignite conflict, but the events of February 2026 are a strong example. It is clear that our public stance could have seriously damaged the company’s future.
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We’ve continued to advocate for export controls on chips and chipmaking equipment to China, because we think it allows democracies to negotiate from a position of strength on AI safety agreements. We’ve done this despite problems it’s created for us with industry partners who hold very different views and on whom we are very dependent.
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As far as I’m aware we were the first, and still only, frontier company to restrict the sale of AI services to PRC-controlled companies, including those operating through third countries (otherwise a major loophole). We’ve therefore forfeited significant short-term business to prevent fueling AI platforms and applications that would help the CCP’s military and intelligence services. We are also cracking down on distillation; generally, distillation is not a major threat to us commercially, but like chip exports it has concerning national security and safety implications, so we expend significant energy and company resources to address it.
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As you mentioned, we’ve put out a lot of reports, announcements, long model cards, public advocacy, etc, all trying to inform the public about the risks of AI. These involve a level of detail and effort that would be implausible for a purely profit-maximizing company.
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Just this week, we announced we were putting 5% (and possibly more over time) of the company into a public benefit fund.
All of these decisions came with very substantial costs to us. To be fair, those that involved holding back or restricting access to frontier capabilities also had a broader cost — for example, the public might otherwise have benefitted from faster progress in biology, so I am not saying that our decisions were without tradeoffs — but they were not driven by profit-seeking.
For each decision, you can come up with ulterior motives that could have driven us — I think it is a general truth that any decision, on any topic, can always be portrayed as a nefarious scheme. But most of those end up being pretty farfetched or don’t fully make sense if you actually examine them closely. For example, it is deeply implausible that it would be a shrewd business move to block a large swath of research biology in order to do the work ourselves and compete with our customers; we expect the benefit to the ecosystem to greatly exceed the work Anthropic does itself, and for the two to complement each other. It is not in Anthropic’s interest to be perceived as unfriendly to biologists. Our Life Sciences Verification Program, which gives vetted biology professionals access to our models, also refutes this idea.
Of course, a different set of people will see this and make a different criticism: that Anthropic shouldn’t be making decisions about who gets access to what in the first place. I agree, in the sense that ideally the government would be making these decisions, and that’s why we advocate for regulation. But for now we are forced to make them, and enabling bioterrorism isn’t a better option.
I think that even if I conceded every item in your list, I would happily hold up mine next to it; I don’t think it’s a close call. That is of course partly subjective and different things are important to different people. May
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