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Attention people who think UB is fine

some people insisted that it’s demonstrably fine, we know what the code will

Hacker Newssigna112026/10/25 · 昨天7 分钟阅读

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After my post on undefined behavior in C some people insisted that it’s demonstrably fine, we know what the code will do, and at worst we’ll get a segfault.

#include<utility>

// Let's pretend this is a memory mapped device controlling // motors and gears and stuff. volatile int device_command = 0;

void serve_hot_chocolate() { device_command = 42;

// Oh no, we spilled some hot chocolate, invoking UB. // // The definition of std::unreachable() is: // Invokes undefined behavior at a given point. std::unreachable(); }

void explode() { device_command = 3; }

Example assembly output

With GCC 16.2 with -O1.

"serve_hot_chocolate()": mov DWORD PTR "device_command"[rip], 42 "explode()": mov DWORD PTR "device_command"[rip], 3 ret "device_command": .zero 4

Ruh roh. Exploding chocolate! The function explode() will be executed, even though it was never called!

Some people insisted that dereferencing a null pointer is fine. It’ll just try to access address zero! And these people supposedly know what happens when you try: if nothing is mapped there, you’ll get a segfault.

Let’s say we change std::unreachable() to int* ptr = nullptr; *ptr = 99; in the previous example. Now we get this:

"serve_hot_chocolate()": mov DWORD PTR "device_command"[rip], 42 mov DWORD PTR ds:0, 0 ud2

Curious, eh? First it writes zero, not 99, to memory address zero. Then it crashes the program using an invalid instruction. The number 99 never appears in the generated program. But the null pointer write does. Presumably the null pointer write is done in order to improve debugger error messages.

"serve_hot_chocolate()": mov dword ptr [rip + "device_command"], 42

"explode()": mov dword ptr [rip + "device_command"], 3 ret

"device_command": .long 0

Again we get exploding chocolate.

Ok, so what happens if we add ptr += 10. That’s UB for three reasons:

"serve_hot_chocolate": mov DWORD PTR "device_command"[rip], 42 mov DWORD PTR ds:40, 99 ret

Wow. Now it did what someone naively would expect, taking the code at face value. Lucky.

Why did GCC (and clang, by the way) not detect that *(ptr + 10) = 99 is equally UB as *ptr = 99, and do the same thing?

Wrong question. No compiler is obligated to “detect” UB at all. Looks to me like GCC and clang, if we want to anthropomorphize them, saw “oh, null pointer dereference? Well that can’t happen, so I’ll stop emitting instructions for this function, to save on the binary size”. Because of the halting problem, it cannot in the general case know if the code will ever be executed.

Anything. I have now demonstrated three things UB can do, when UB was triggered in the same place:

And to think that some people don’t believe in nasal demons.

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